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Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 05:11 PM I am but a simple kind of man. I was probably Worlock's age when Lynyrd Skynyrd commanded the charts with that song. As a simpleton, my ideas are simple. I present this idea to Worlock. I think, if he so desires, will take this simple idea and give it that special something only an educator of his unique calibre knows how to do. Now to dispense with the blowjob and get down to business. Ammonia/lithium method is pretty much limited to the farmboys out in north 40's due to the smell. I've kicked this problem around from time to time and, until now, usually lost interest. I believe I have a simple solution. Low cost too! As you can see from this pic, a simple ammonia/lithium machine. From left to right. H2O2 is injected into a flask of ammonium sulphate. The immediate gaseous reaction is first bubbled through (drying agent of your choice) bottle 1, then (same again) bottle 2 to end anhydrous in the far right round flat-bottomed flask sitting in a dry ice bath, sitting on a mag/stir. Once a couple of fingers of dry liquid ammonia is collected, lithium is added, pure soody or E is added, stirring is started, and 10 minutes later reduction is complete. (Not interested in any recipe related errors you may, or may not find. Not the point of this post) Okay. This shit's gonna stink to high-assed heaven, sweetheart. No doubt about it! That brings us to pic 2. I guesstimate plexiglass price at under $20. I recommend a Rotozip spiralsaw for perfect holes. A good pair of chemical protective gloves around $10 at Home Depot. Large tube of silicon calk>$5. Valve to connect aeriator for dispelling gas/smell down the drain> $5. There it is, boys and girls. Worlock?
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 06:11 PM BTW, mrr pyrex, thanks for dustin' off my crusty old snotbag. Got a hellacious headache! I think this graybugger between my ears is edgin' the line of atrophy, so any exercise helps!
Napalm Air Strike Junior Member	posted 12-29-1999 06:26 PM if ya keep this up ya are gona make the sunday color feilds go crazy ---I need an Air Strike---
Hematite Member	posted 12-29-1999 06:56 PM Impressed the shit outta me just getting all the containers hooked up so nicely ! I'm uncertain about the supercharger manifold and it's relevence to this rxn, but if you think fester-like and talk 'octane', I sees where you are coming from and applaud. Funny robot. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
aqua-girl Member	posted 12-29-1999 07:17 PM Is zeolite not an option for NH3 absorption? Or is it's capacity not up to a job like this? Although, gassing it down the drain sounds just as good...
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 08:14 PM If your dirty talk was to produce wood, then consider it 'mission accomplished'! You, too, aquagirl! But, all seriousness aside, hematite, what the? The containment setup of pic2 is my whole point! Of course, you know that and you're playin' me like a used condom, aren't you, ya big hematite, you! Napalm is it? Sunday color fields? Not American, are you! That's ok! I'm for all the gay countries, too! No, I'm not therious, thilly! Speaking of gay. Anyone seen Worlock about? Oh, and aqua girl! Speak American! No talkie chemjargonese, girlie! Common-man American spoken here only! And I'm as uppity about it as the highbrow linguistic tongue twisters found in and around here and the other forums of this fine message bulletin board, too!
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 09:02 PM I believe the two drying bottles contain lye straight from the jug. (most likely baked first)
aqua-girl Member	posted 12-29-1999 09:18 PM Sorry, you haven't been around to level me out My head is quickly deteriorating to FMan status. I follow his various personas from forum to forum on the hive. "and we have another reported FMan sighting in the aquisition forum" "Attention, FMan has left the building" "I heard that FMan isn't even real, he's just computer generated" "The greatest trick FMan ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist" -------- Zeolite. It's a clay or something that absorbs ammonia. We can't use it in saltwater for some reason, or maybe it's because we have more delicate bio cycles that we can't fuck up. Anyway, it's used in freshwater aquariums (I think the popular brand name is Ammo-sorb or something from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals company), probably as a part of kitty litter, and I used to use it in my reptile cages to keep the smell down. Don't know how much ammonia it can suck up, and I'm too busy actively doing nothing to look it up. I'm sure someone has tossed the idea around, and either it's being used, or doesn't work. It's probably smarter and more economical to use your method to outgas the ammonia down the toilet or into a drain. It was just an idea that popped into my head.
Hematite Member	posted 12-29-1999 10:20 PM Actually, I thought at the time I was being really humerous, but coming back now it's kinda worn off....could be a clue for me about other areas of life perhaps? Na...fuck the humourless. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
K.C. Nicolaou Member	posted 12-29-1999 10:34 PM "The greatest trick FMan ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist" Ha Ha... As for Android's idea: First of all, your ammonia generator has got problems, but you're not interested and niether am I . So I'll just assume that the person who would be using this contraption is capable of generating/buying/stealing anhydrous ammonia. As for your glovebox, that's a good solution, but the ventilation system is not such a hot ticket IMHO. Anhydrous ammonia boils at -33C, so you are going to have serious problems with evaporation, even with the flask sitting in the -76C dry ice/acetone bath you should probably be using. In your system, the air flow though the glovebox is going to speed up the evaporation, which is not good. Also, having fresh air flowing through the box with a bunch of glass that's cooled to < -33C is going to result in a whole lot of condensation on the glass surfaces. I'm sure most of that will be on the outside of the bath and rxn vessel, but any amount of water in that reaction is going to be problematic. I'm sure that even someone who don't speak chemist-ese knows that water + lithium is bad. So, now that I have thoroughly stated the obvious, my solution to that problem would be as follows: I'm assuming that you were going to build the thing so the top or one side can be removed before and after the rxn for easy access. Also, my solution to the problem would mean that you would have to be able to completely seal the box during the rxn, and then be able to let air flow through it later, so an inlet, and outlet, and some shutoff valves would be in order. You would assemble the NH3 generator thingy inside the glovebox and set up your rxn flask so you can do your thing through the gloves when the ammonia is made. Then, before you close the box, place a large container of concentrated sulfuric acid in the box with some sort of stirring/bubbling setup so there's good contact with the air in the box. The sulfuric will rapidly dry the air in the box, eliminating the moisture problem. Then, when you start generating the NH3 and doing the rxn, if some ammonia is evolved, it will also be absorbed by the sulfuric. The box would be completely sealed during this whole process. When the rxn is done, you can take the bath away from the ammonia flask and hook the box up to a vacuum source or blow air through the box and bubble through an large container of acid to remove the ammonia. Then, open the thing up and grab the goodies. Of course, this would probably be a horrible pain in the ass to do and would probably not be worth the trouble unless you had a readily avaiable source of anhydrous ammonia.
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 10:35 PM We're all computer generated, aqua girl! Yes, I know what zeolite is. I'm just a common-man speaking snob. Plus I like to paddle upstream. While the other guys are braggin' 'bout their huge members, I shout in rebellious glee that mine is smallest of them all! When 9 out of 10 are exactly the same. I agree with you on down the drain. This method isn't my idea, though. It can be found either on the Hive's other pages, Rhodium's wonderful page, or somewhere in the Lycaeum. I simply want to help make it available to everyone! Farmers and apartment dwellers alike! Humor and bullshit are my favorite pasttimes, but everyone's gotta do their fair share of contributing to the cause. If even one member benefits from my humble contributions, then it's all worthwhile.<insert inspirational theme music here. Sorry. My life is a Zuckerman brother film.
Worlock Member	posted 12-29-1999 10:57 PM Scratches head scratches Ass I thought I was an asshole, until I met Spitball. He Says: Concerning this stink thing, are you serious you don't know how it is done? Scratches head scratches Ass Have you questioned any pre-pubesent kids? Everyone knows that You use dry ice !!! To cure a bad case of Eunuch breathe
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 11:00 PM Thank you, Randy! This is the input that turns half-baked ideas into painful thorns in the system's side! Yes! The containment shield locks down air-tight. I don't see condensation/fogging as detrimental at this point, but only an actual working prototype will prove one way or another. Timewise, the whole process is over in a blink. Sulphuric acid is an old drying process, and would, if decided necessary, be capped and in the glovebox,(as you call it) along with the rest of the setup prior to launch. Then simply uncapping it would be easy. I'm betting low level atmosphere from the water aeriator would buy enough time for the short time needed to complete reaction. Once reaction is complete, lithium's unsteady introduction to H2O is the next step. A capped container of water would be placed in the glovebox as part of the setup also. Your comments are very important and appreciated, Randy. Please shoot as many holes in it as you can. Better on the drawing board, then while trying to shout "I thought it would work!" through the bulletproof glass in the back of the squad car while HAZMAT stumbles around in the ammoniated fog, gathering up the evidence.
Android Member	posted 12-29-1999 11:04 PM Worlock, could you come back after you've had chance to sober up? Maybe then you could even actually read this before you post anymore prepubescent comments! I don't want to get into any pissing contests with you anyway. You have the unfair advantage of sitting down!
Zeph Junior Member	posted 12-29-1999 11:46 PM Vey much in the style of noteph. Vey good!! you must get inside your femenine thogh, Im surprized at you.Very good !!! Very!!! though I cant see a reaction vessal in a vessal . must be a better weigh, mechanically speakinese. How about a better way to kuhl that final vessal and let it breath, and escape, and control just a thought . Over.
K.C. Nicolaou Member	posted 12-29-1999 11:53 PM Why the hell are you calling me Randy? It's an accurate description, but you're no female, so WTF? As for introducing Mr. Li to Mr. H2O, better to use anhydrous IPA. Much less violent. Works peachy when I get to quench the THF still at work. But then again, you haven't really lived until you've seen/started a sodium/lithium fire .
Xroid Junior Member	posted 12-29-1999 11:57 PM Well you certainly must be feeling very good a bout yourself lately. A little rest? Very good. What is the point of an aquarium??? 5-9$$$ at larger pet stores. I just cant see it either. It must be as easy as X,Y, and Z, although it aludes me......why do we want this large sealed container ?????all in fun...you know...cuttingedge....clandesticallly....Oh boY!!!
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 01:16 AM Hi, xroid! heeheeheeheeheeheesnort Why ask why, K.C.? Beats the hell out of me! IPA? Excellent! Uh. Good question, Zeph? I apologize if I'm a little distracted. It's just sad when friendships are torn apart by alcohol. I broke out my family photo album to reminisce about happier times between myself and Worlock. We were inseparable back in the day. His moto back then was "What? Me flame Android?". He'd always score with the ladies when he'd use that phoney english accent and the drunker sot's always thought he really WAS Elton John! But alas! Evil demon juice carves yet another notch on it's belt. CURSE YOU EVIL DRINK! I must go to a quiet place now. I think I've got something in my eye. sniff-sniff! I'll always love you, Worlock! sniff!
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 02:19 AM Ok, ok! That's not really Worlock! But ya have to admit, if you cover one eye, close the other, and turn out the lights, the resemblance is remarkable! It's actually what I really look like! I like the way it captures a rare look of thoughtful intelligent contemplation.
mrr pyrex Member	posted 12-30-1999 03:22 AM Well I ain't an expert on aquistion but has anyone determined that Anhydrous Ammonia is indeed hard to aquire?? I mean someone went to a chemical supplier and layed out $150. deposit on container(which by the way is as heavy as a boat anchor)/$150 for Ammonia and whammo he drove of with 100LBS of Anhydrous Ammonia this dream happened less then 9 months ago. I mean well it can be obtained by distilling it from Aqua-Ammonia28%, with the aid of dry ice and acetone or toluene(acetone will obtain about 10 degrees cooler). And I can tell ya when your distilling it as long as the temp is waaayy down, as in toluene and dry ice, there ain't no smell to speak of...being as how the ammonia is all condensing in the flask, only real time ya gets smell is when adding LI or when adding the freebase via a liquid that isn't chilled down to the same temp as the liquid ammonia. Other then that no real smell. If'n your dead set on generating it via Ammmonia Sulphate or whatever...I would highly recommend against that route, the reaction is quick as hell and if you aren't prepared for it, well you'll wish you were somewhere else. Stick with Aqua-ammonia, it is dirt cheap...less then $5/Gal and content is high, hell for all I know if ya got enough 2450 Li cells it might work striaght out of the jug water included, I mean once ya crack that lid on the jug, by george you can clear rooms in record time :-). It was observed that while distilling it that way most all the water would condense quick enough to fall back in the heating vessel while the Ammonia would proceed to the condensing vessel, and any water that did make it that far, i would assume would solidify since it would be at a temp far below freezing, well it was tried that way a few time and never did water seem to find its way into the condensing vessel. Anyhow gotta gets some rest, most likely on the road tomorrow, be back saturday for any questions. Pyrex out
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 03:36 AM Been hoping to hear from you M.P., and then ya just run off! Yes! When you can, tell me more! I've thought of little else since I first read your post on makin's thread! Wonder how his little project turned out? Hmmmm. Think I'll hop over and look in on him!
AbSoLuTe Member	posted 12-30-1999 04:41 AM Just as a matter of interest, if you chill your Ammonia water down to 0 Deg C, it will absorb almost 50% ammonia, and if you do it keep it in the fridge. A funny thing happens to this (concentrated) Ammonia water when you drop Lithium into it, it also turns that lovely iridiscent(sp) blue that we all would love to see but alas we all dont. I have played with this method/stuff using Electro and Ag and had some very promising results, but got distracted by Worlocks Web site, and Rp/I worked well for awhile, but I intend to play with the 50% NH3.aqua as I believe it will work out, as If it is BLUE then it is good. P.S. to make good ammonia gas Get some ammonia sulphate(fertiliser) mix with 50% weight quick lime and heat in a sealed container with the vented end going into your ammonia water in Ice and heat gently so that it bubbles thru the liquid slowly. Takes about 20 minutes to saturate @ 0 Deg.
AbSoLuTe Member	posted 12-30-1999 04:43 AM Takes about 20 minutes to saturate 2.5 litre @ 0 Deg.
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 05:46 AM Blue is good, AbSoLuTe, but anhydrous is necessary for reduction. An inch is as bad as a mile if it doesn't work. Correct? Search Engine! Nice handy little answer without answering any questions! Does the search engine update me on the frustrations of the membership? Does it give me a comtemporary feel for certain individuals failures and lessons? Tech tips? The Worlocks have an almost counterproductive effect on information by their zest to maintain a foothold in the pecking order. Why reveal anything when it's so much easier to kill another's desire to post a new finding. While others are busy second guessing themselves, they remain unchallenged and in control. Does what I'm suggesting ring any bells? Or is it just speed psychosis (my guess) on my part? Personally, I have no fragile ego or reputation to protect. Flames are too familiar to me. Growing up in my home it was called communication! Any post, no matter how trite it may be deemed by the Worlocks, acquires importance from the posts it generates. From you. The Hive membership. Rubbing against the grain is my fodder. I also see something important. Voices out of the darkness that have something to say. I think it's important. That makes it important.
Hematite Member	posted 12-30-1999 06:36 AM Sounds like Worlock's being mis-interpreted somewhat to me. I dont think he has any need of clawing for supremecy, and I know for a fact his moral standing in every sense is unimpeachable. That said though, the man owes me a video and I might have to knock him on the head as an example to others, so question him fast when you see him.hehehe. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 10:19 AM I am a HUGE fan of Worlock's, hematite! Isn't it obvious? If I'd spent this much attention to my own teeth, I wouldn't be missing the front one as shown in my pic. The protective reflexes of your followers is very touching, Worlock! All part of the intricate puzzle of you that I find so fucking humorous periodically! Then, of course, as is my nature, I lose interest.
Hematite Member	posted 12-30-1999 02:04 PM I support anyone that I feel is being misrepresented, from F-MAN right through to my esteemed but sadly pussless co-hiver,Osmium . If I seem supportive of Worlock in particular that's no definite indication of any sexual abnormality whatsoever and I'd love to see the lit you have that says it is!! I did think of him a whole lot the past couple of days...naahhh, I still love breasts above all else so I must be cool. That's that then, glad we had a positive note to end on. ERRRrrrrk. vegemiteplace. Funny how girl poofters on the other hand are just the cutest and naturally exploritory and nurturing and shitttt gottta go bye. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 04:42 PM Always a pleasure, Hematite! I love scarey people! They speak my language. Indeed, insanity has it's own language and everything! Benefits, etc. So, anywho, a dream has developed since my last post involving a one pound block of dry ice, 1.45g of pure soody(all that was left), saturation with aqueous NaOH to 14pH, 50ml toluene, and a half hour, (so far) of magnetic stirring. As always, I never rush through a hypothesis test run! I'm thinking this dream may be heavily influenced by mrr pyrex's post. An hour in the search engine (thanks Worlock) produced less than mrr pyrex graciously provided right here. Simple distillation. Pretty pre-pubescent really! They say no smell. . I believe there'll be no smell. Yeah, I'm easy!
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 06:25 PM The strongest bottle of ammonium hydroxide available in this dream is a mere 10%. I believe if I break off a couple of chunks of dry ice and prepare a little subzero bath to freeze out a good portion of the water prior to the actual distillation, 28% or better will be attained. Without the luxury of first hand dream experience here, of course, I can only surmise this to be the easiest correction to this differential.
Wizard X Moderator	posted 12-30-1999 07:15 PM Android: Worlock's user name is WORLOCK. Let's NOT CONFUSE Worlock with my user name Wizard X, OK! BTW: I'm the Wascally Wizard!
Android Member	posted 12-30-1999 07:27 PM Please forgive me, WizardX! I'll try to avoid your toes in the future! Oh, like my nose doesn't brown like any other bootlicker!
AbSoLuTe Member	posted 12-30-1999 08:41 PM F.Y.I Android I believe that it does not have to BEE anhydrous, and I have been playing with this for awhile. Once the solution turns blue, this indicates "dissolved electrons" which then has the reducing power needed to do this Rxn. Try it yourself. If it is gonna take 45 minutes rather than 10, who gives a fuck? I was also usind electro to increase the Hydrogen levels, and as I say , had some success with it. I have read that an inert atmosphere was needed too, but that is also crap. I admit that 50% ammonia stinks as bad as Anhydrous, but is much easier to handle, and if you could get the temperature down lower again till it almost freezes, then it wouldnt smell at all (much)

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